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Jlol
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Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

Sorry for the incoming wall of text.

I don't call the Sane support line often, but it's part of my "support plan" thing for when times get bad that my counsellor made me agree to. Today was one of those times and I called.

I was very, very saddened to learn they no longer allow you to call on a blocked or private number. 

This might be hard for some to understand, but it is very important for me as I highly value my safety.

Basically, here in Queensland, we do not really have a public mental health service (we do, but it is very, very limited and small). This means that if you trigger a counsellor's Duty of Care, whether by accident or not, they will send police to check on you. QLD police are not really trained (or motivated) to deal with mental health call outs and so often treat the person they are visiting as a criminal. Abusive language is very common, and physical violence is not unheard of.

For a personal example, one of the times I had a wellness check brought upon me the officers knocked at my front door and, as I was opening it, violently kicked it injuring my wrist and causing me to fall backwards with such force I broke a shelving unit near the door (for what it's worth, I wasn't being a jerk or a smart-arse. I just opened the door in response to someone knocking on it).

I do understand the laws and rules around Duty of Care and the intention behind it. The problem is that those laws and rules are often open to the individual interpretations - and misunderstandings - of those who are required to implement it. Different mental health professionals have different tolerances for what they believe may require intervention or not. It is a fact that, for some mental health workers, merely mentioning suicide may cause them to reach for the the phone number of emergency services and intervene.

I encourage mental health professionals to ask "Are we dissuading people from using our services to seek help by exposing them, in their already low and vulnerable state, to rough, abusive and possibly violent encounters with police? Or, worse yet, are we dissuading people from seeking help from anyone at all?".

Don't believe this is an issue? Simply take a look at these very forums and see how many people are trained to self-censor the word "suicide" by replacing some of the characters, eg "s****de". SANE should ask themselves why we are worried to mention the word "suicide" within a forum that literally has a section to discuss "Managing thoughts of suicide and self-harm".

I worry this situation is not discussed enough. As far as I am aware there has been no attempt by any organisation to gather significant data on this situation.

For the last 13 years I, and a handful of others (who have sourced at least some data from lived-experienced individuals), have spent time with the state police, health department, the state's commission into trauma, and even a couple of state health ministers to try and highlight this issue. I am not advocating the abolishment of well fare checks, but for the proper conduct of those performing them and, preferably, for a trained medical professional to attend such callouts as they often do in Victoria.

Sadly, progress has been glacial and not much has really changed (well a few things have improved, like the abolishment of archaic JEOs (aka "sanctioning") which were mostly used and abused by divorcing couples attempting to discredit each other). Hence, when I feel the need to seek support I prefer to do so as anonymously - and safely - as possible.

I am greatly sadden that SANE has not understood this aspect of seeking support for mental health. SANE is a national organisation, funded by the federal government, but based in Victoria where the state's attitude to mental health is arguably far more progressive then were I live, here in Queensland. SANE's leadership may not have understood the challenges those in other states and I worry that the issue of requiring anonymity for ones own safety was not at all discussed when making this decision to block private numbers.

Whilst I acknowledge it is SANE's right to choose to block private calls or not, it is my (and many others) belief that an organisation like SANE, cannot claim to be both helping their callers whilst also exposing them to potential harm.

SANE, and similar organisations, are not responsible for the negative actions and behaviours of the Queensland police, but should acknowledge the existence of such actions and behaviours and modify their policies as such. Not every place in the country is as lucky as Victoria.

I greatly respect the support and services SANE offers and has offered over the years, and this post is not intended to chastised or discourage the organisation. However, I would urge any employee of SANE who have come across this post to pass it along and ask the organisations leadership to reconsider the blocking of private numbers.

I have also written a similar email.

Many thanks.
Jlol

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Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.


@Jlol wrote:

It's at this point that I encourage mental health professionals to ask "Are we dissuading people from using our services to seek help by exposing them, in the low and vulnerable state they are in, to rough, abusive and possibly violent encounters with police? Or, worse yet, are we dissuading people from seeking help at all?". I worry this situation is not discussed enough. As far as I am aware (and I hope the next paragraph will lend wait to these words) there has been no attempt by any organisation to gather significant data on this situation.


I know that it has been remarked upon in several of the recent reports into the mental health system that efforts should be made to transfer the role police play in mental healthcare over to the ambulance service. I'm pretty sure it was one of the big points of the VIC Royal Inquiry's final conclusions (although admittedly, that probably doesn't do those of us in other states much good); and I think it was also mentioned in the Productivity Commission's inquiry into the mental health system.

Although I may be getting that mixed up, as I've read a lot of reports, ect. from inquiries into the mental health system.

But I can attest that I've encountered the idea that police need to be take out of the loop numerous times, so people in power are definitely talking about it.

With regard to your question about dissuading people from seeking help, I would say: "Most definitely!"

I was never visited by police, nor committed to an institution, but the knowledge that things like this go on was precisely why I never told any of the 'professionals' I dealt with that I am s*****al, but rather only ever alluded to it in the vaguest possible terms.

Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

wow thats scary

Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

It's part why I can never call. Did t know about the anonymity thing but always worried about actually sharing my true thoughts would result in police or hospital which is not help... For me anyway

Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

@chibam @mb3 @Jlol @destructive 

 

As someone who prefers other services (the timing kind of messes with my head) it's nice to know that my call would be blocked anyway. 

 

I've made it so that it takes a bit to remove the private caller

  1. Contact my service provider to enable visibility
  2. Wait for that
  3. Go into my phone settings
  4. Reboot phone
  5. Make call
  6. Go into my phone settings
  7. Reboot phone
  8. Contact service provider
  9. Wait again

This is to ensure that if someone were to get my phone they couldn't get my number

Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

@Jlol @avant-garde @destructive @mb3 @chibam 

I understand the reason for the lack of anonymity, but if it's preventing people in a crisis situation from calling, or talking openly and honestly, then I just feel like there's a big problem.  I get that the safety of the person calling is a priority, but that safety is hardly increased if they don't call or feel like that can't talk about what they need to.

Re: Greatly saddened by the end of anonymity on SANE's support line.

@Jlol @MJG017 @avant-garde @destructive @mb3 

I really appreciate that each of you have taken the time to share how this affects you and raising some really important points about the differences in mental health responses from emergency services in differing states around Australia.

It's important that your voices are heard on this matter, so I really encourage you to share this feedback directly to SANE through their feedback form here

This is a much more direct way to express your very valid and helpful thoughts, opinions and experiences than here on the forums. For now we're going to lock this thread, but thank you all for sharing about this topic.