11-12-2021 11:38 AM
11-12-2021 11:38 AM
You are so diligent with helping people negotiate the technical terrain. @HenryX It was a feature behind the scenes and I have noticed it before and stumbled on it.
I am not sure how interested in classical music you are, but I have discovered a pianist who also had serious mental health issues, John Ogden. I like that he rides a bus to and from concerts.
I was listening to Vladimir Askenazy talk about him, as they both won first prize in Moscow's Tchaikovsky comp. Vlad said it was mainly political pride that he won at all, as Ogden was obviously better than him, but the Soviets had to have a Russian win.
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Hello @Appleblossom and @Emelia8 and @Clawde
@Appleblossom, Thank you very much for your company and assistance. And, Yes, I do enjoy classical music and will look for John Ogdens work this afternoon. This morning I am touching the forum before going out in about an hour.
Being able to clearly describe processes on the forum helps me, and with that knowledge, I endeavour to assist others in negotiating the forum processes. Also, and possibly more importantly, to let people know that it is very often not their fault when they come across dfficulties on the forum. Those added feelings of inadequacy, through inability to negotiate the forum processes, though often unfounded, can also add to a member's, or potential member's already existing feelings of self doubt and, if they exist, the effects of previous traumatic experience, for which they have come to the forum for assitance. I am also keen to assist future and existing members to make the best use of the forum and its functions, and not be hobbled by lack of the information that will, hopefully, provide them with that assitance and ability. Though you @Appleblossom , @Emelia8 and @Clawde are, very likely, already aware of my intentions, it helps me also, "to be able to put them down on paper".
@Emelia8, I am aware of, and very appreciative of your companionship on the forum. Your company allows me to be aware that you are there providing back-up, as much in affirmation, as also to know, that If I have somehow slipped, you are likely to be able to help me to recover.
@Clawde, You, likewise, give me assurance and companionship as we travel around the forum, Thank you very much for your company, assurances and support as we move around the site.
My special thanks to you three in particular, for your company, assurances and supports, literally and through your presence and comments, in so many ways.
With My Very Best Wishes to You All
11-12-2021 01:04 PM
11-12-2021 01:04 PM
Thank you @HenryX 🌹
I was hoping to be heading off on my long road trip to visit family for Christmas about now. But alas, my physical health issues are going to prevent that happening. Looks like Christmas on my own this year. Just me and Holly (hopefully) 🐶
It also means I wont get my little joy flight with my brother in his two seater plane for a while yet. Looks like everything is on the backburner, as I await surgery.
Hi there @Appleblossom @AussieRecharger @BPDSurvivor @Former-Member others 😄
Emelia ✈🚁
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Hello @Emelia8 and @Appleblossom , @Anastasia , @Clawde , @AussieRecharger , @BPDSurvivor , @Former-Member
Thank you for your note @Emelia8 . I am sorry and disappointed to hear that the opportunity to participate in your family gathering, for Christmas, has been prevented because of your health issues. As I am also about the postponing of your flight in your brother's plane. You are, I am sure, aware that I can empathise with you and that I do sympathise with your situation. I am really hoping for some positive medical work, in a form that you choose, to be available for you early in the coming year.
I expect to be sharing a Christmas gathering with the family of a long-standing friend, with whom I share a great deal of mutually held respect. The gathering will, I believe, be very pleasant. The younger people, teens to 20's, who I have known all their lives, refer to me affectionately as uncle and I know that I will be welcome without reservation. My friend, a lady who I first met as a counterpart in the Perth head office, to my position in a country office, first became known to me as a person who simply, quickly and efficiently "got things done". I made a point of meeting her in Perth, now almost 30 years ago. We have been firm and mutually supportive friends since that time.
I was with a gathering of people from three other families today, for spiritual reflection followed by lunch. The members present today were, one member who normally attends with his wife (children grown and left), who left early (wife not well), another couple (children same) who pick me up on the way and a couple with seven school age children, at whose house today's event was held.
My presence, I believe, is generally well received, though I sense an undercurrent of resistance toward me as an 'outsider'. My time with the group, as I had initially intended, has really given me an opportunity to reflect on my own life and beliefs and I hope that I have contributed, through our discussions and reflections, to the other individuals and the group as a whole, in a similar fashion to the benefits that I have also accrued.
However, I am considering my position in the group and the decision that I am in the process of making with regard to my continuing presence with the group. I am concerned about tensions that may be deleterious to the group as a whole. Not being a person who is an accepting member of the foundational principles espoused and accepted, mostly unquestioningly, by most of the individuals within the group , my presence, even when supporting the learning of the principles by the younger members, particularly the children, may be seen or considered as duplicitous and therefore dangerous by at least one and possibly some members of the group.
I consider, that if the children have a foundation to work from, then they are likely to be able to make better decisions for themselves and others in the future. They are in a position, later on, to be able to either defend or challenge the beliefs that they know and then make comparisons with other views. However, without any foundation, or principles discarded too soon, there is left little on which to build and develop future principles and foundational beliefs.
It may be just time for me to say that I have done whatever I think that I may have been able to do, and that I may believe to be worthwhile, for others and for me, and to withdraw as gracefully as possible.
These are thoughts that I have "put down on paper" (even if there is no paper, or it is digital). While there is obviously no expectation that you respond to these thoughts, you may like to offer some comments, observations or anecdotes of your own.
I actually started this as a more detailed note, but thought that the material may be too much outside myself to offer into a community that values anonymity. So, believe it or not, this is the short version.
We might refer to it as one of
"Henry's little books"
With My Very Best Wishes
12-12-2021 03:48 PM
12-12-2021 03:48 PM
Hi! @HenryX Thanks for your message the other day. I haven't been able to reply, because I've been very unwell. But want to say that you seem like a very kind and caring person. 😊
Hi! To everyone else here. 🤗
12-12-2021 04:17 PM
12-12-2021 04:17 PM
Hi! @Emelia8 I do understand. I wish I could be there for you in person. I hope that, one day everyone will be able to message privately. 🤗
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Hello @Former-Member and @Emelia8 , @Appleblossom , @Anastasia, @Mazarita , @Clawde , @StuF , @nony , @AussieRecharger , @Rosemary4 , @Snowie , @BlueBay , @still_bookish , @BPDSurvivor , @Gwynn , @outlander , @Former-Member
Thank you very much for your message earlier today @Former-Member .
In the past, on the forum, I often used to tag only the person to whom I was addressing my comments. That is still the case where I might be writing something in a more private area or thread on the forum site, or responding directly to another person's post. More recently I have either included more people in my tag list and, or offered comments and responses, addressed individually, to a number of people in the one post. This seems to me to be a more effective, efficient and productive use of forum site space, rather that writing and posting out a comment or response to each person separately, which everyone can read anyway.
It also seems more inclusive since we all have access to each others posts anyway, except, as a courtesy, where other members may leave a thread for more private or personal discussion. Normally, when I present a combined post, it is addressed to a number of people who have, as far as I can, or have been aware, mutual, common and similar interests to each other. In this way, I am endeavouring to be as inclusive as far as, I think, might be appropriate.
You might note that in my last post, in which I am sorry for not having remembered to add your forum address......
{At which point you wave your finger at me and say “what did you just say below about apologies.” Oh well!!!}
Any way, I was saying that I had written quite a large piece about some of my activities. Although I will keep that piece of work, I reduced it and made it less personal for writing up here as a post. For me it is just a matter of considering what I want to offer, and if what I have written is not suitable, I reduce or amend it for “publication” as a comment for posting in the forum. All my longer comments and responses are written in a word processor document and then I “copy and paste” from the document to the newly refreshed Reply box on the forum site. This way I keep a copy of what I have written, if it may serve another purpose, and also have a copy if anything goes wrong with the posting of the comment on the forum site such as the dreaded "Authentication Failed" Demon.
While personal messaging is not available, the positive side is that we do not have to worry about any negative material that might otherwise be addressed to us, that may not be able to be assessed by moderators, whether we may sometimes agree, or not, with their assessments, here on the forum.
Please do not be concerned about the time of responding to posts. An expression I have stated, possibly even to you already, is:
"No offence taken, no apology required."
We do what we can do, when we can, and as well as we can.
I can say, as I have said before, that I enjoy your company in this thread in particular and other threads also, when you are able to be here, and I also enjoy the graphics that you offer of beach scenes, farms, flowers and family members in the snow. These all really do add to the vigour and freshness of this thread in particular, as well as other threads where you have visited.
Thank you for your presence when you are able to be here @Former-Member
With My Very Best Wishes
12-12-2021 08:37 PM
12-12-2021 08:37 PM
@HenryX @Emelia8 @Appleblossom @Anastasia and all. 🤗
12-12-2021 10:11 PM
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Hello to members in the "Hangar"
who may be interested in the 15 minute video clip, at the web address below, entitled:
“Meeting The Enemy” by Cassie Jaye
@CapnWannabe, @Rosemary4 , @lovec , @Mystickate , @eth , @InfiniteStress , @Dimity , @wellwellwellnez , @still_bookish , @nony , @EssJay , @Eve7 , @StuF , @Gwynn , @Tinker67 , @wild_rose , @BlueBay , @Former-Member , @Shaz51 , @Appleblossom , @Emelia8 , @Anastasia , @Mazarita , @greenpea , @Peri , @Clawde , @chibam , @outlander , @AussieRecharger , @Snowie , @Faith-and-Hope , @Alicat , @Meowmy , @Judi9877 , @Former-Member , @Sophia1 , @frog , @jem80 , @BPDSurvivor , @Daisydreamer , @cloudcore , @Former-Member , @Paperdaisy , @Former-Member , @Jynx , @TideisTurning
No! it is not about a military war, but one in which we are all engaged at some level, whether we like being so, or want to be involved, or not.
This woman's message is one of the most inspiring, engaging, enlightening and, I believe, among the most important presentations that I have seen in my life.
{And I am not usually into using superlatives.}
Presented with sincerity, care and clarity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
Please take Note: The sound level is very high at the start of the video
The presentation raises a number of issues about the ways that we interact with each other in close circles and with others, possibly more distant from our immediate "sphere of influence" and not just with regard to gender equality. I think that Cassie Jaye's presentation is informative and sincere.
You may be interested in reading my heading notes from the presentation in the columns A and B first, leave them till afterwards, or leave them alone, as you wish.
I hope that you find the video as informative and challenging as I did.
With Best Wishes
A - No interruptions in documentary film-making - Difference between hearing and listening - Anticipating or pre-expectation in discussions - Hearing only what one wishes to hear - Looking for proof of one's own already existing belief(s) - Listening to, for the purpose of transcription, one's own words or those of others - New awareness of reality - Using statements, for which there really is no opposite, to attempt to prove or validate one's own point of view or position - Video diary & evolving views - In our own minds, adding some other information to that already offered on the assumption that the additional information had been intended or implied in the comment offered - Examples - Who read or heard the word falsely in the initial comment as Cassie stated it? - Gender Equality Discussion. - “Putting words in the other person's mouth” or speaking for them. - Insisting, even when other examples are offered, that our position is still the only valid position - Automatically offering or countering with reasons that only support our own position - Percentage of the the total number of self inflicted deaths by men among the population - Offering a possibly unrelated statistical response to counter information offered - Not a contest - Compassion for all - Human rights issues - Disproportionate affects on each section of the community considered from any perspective. - Examples - Heartbreaking - Examples and Issues - Rights, Power and Privilege - Motivation toward solution {Motivation to solve can only exist after problem is recognised, acknowledged and accepted as real} - Gender Equality Issues - Seeing “the world” or situation through the “eyes” of the other person - Engaging others in the discussion - Higher Consciousness with regard to presenting issues - October 2016 "The Red Pill" | B - Group think around gender politics and discussion - Difficult lessons - Humanising the enemy - Retaliatory dehumanisation by community, group, sector ….. - Debate of the merits of issues presented for discussion - Smear campaigns - Protests to defend a position - Harm to one sector, group, gender, race…..... - Understanding the mindset of the people with whom you engage in whatever manner or situation - what we have been told about others - Dehumanising the “other side” - Equality - Why are some excluded and others included - The layers of one's own bias - Ego and right are not always synonymous - Making others appear to be less, even sub-human, in our own eyes - Capacity and willingness to look outside our sphere of influence, or existence and expand our horizons - To work toward inclusion - To be inclusive and not anti-...... - One can still support one's own position while recognising, acknowledging and caring about the positions of others {Includes assertiveness} - Honestly discussing equality in any environment including gender equality - Inviting all voices to the table - Vilification and abuse - {reference to other positions, of any distinction, as hate groups} - Systematically silencing of any dissent, other opinion or position - Who really has all the answers? - If one group, sector position or any other classification is being silenced, that is a problem for everyone - We need to stop expecting to be offended - Start truly, openly and sincerely listening - Leading to a greater understanding of ourselves and others - Having compassion for each other - Working together toward solutions - “We really are all in this together” it is not just a cliché - We can heal from the inside out - It starts, not just with hearing but with true active listening |
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