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19 Aug 2021 11:12 AM
19 Aug 2021 11:12 AM
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well you're up that's the main thing @LostAngel not long up here either. nice to see you
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19 Aug 2021 11:29 AM
19 Aug 2021 11:29 AM
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Good on you. Its hard being a lizard @MDT! You are so funny ha ha
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19 Aug 2021 12:08 PM
19 Aug 2021 12:08 PM
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Glad to hear you are finding g humour in what I say
Sometimes I think life is either a drama, a tragedy or a comedy. Maybe all 3?
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19 Aug 2021 01:30 PM
19 Aug 2021 01:30 PM
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@MDT nothing that a sense of humour can't fix! Good for a laugh!
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19 Aug 2021 04:07 PM
19 Aug 2021 04:07 PM
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Hey @MDT @Former-Member
Hope we are not going to get overrun by the more bizarre lizard people lurking about on the net!
Ach dont worry Apple .... I love tortoises and a @Former-Member has to be good!
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210818-the-hand-gestures-that-last-longer-than-spoken-languages
Hallo All ... hope ya have a good arvo ....
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19 Aug 2021 06:14 PM
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20 Aug 2021 12:52 AM
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20 Aug 2021 09:56 AM
20 Aug 2021 09:56 AM
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Thanks for sharing.
Yeah I had a discussion with my friend yesterday. She decided not to get the vaccine. There's a level of ignorance you can't permeate with some people. A lot of her arguments just came down to "its been developed too quickly". I have no answer to this so I just left it.
I explained it as follows:
"yeah. I got my first jab of AZ because the risks of the clot are minmal and dying from said clot are minimal as well. Unfortunately, many have succumbed to the media narrative around the risks of AZ and its not as Pfizer have a clean track record either. I've always been sceptical of massive pharm companies because of their monetary incentives.
In the end, I'd rather be vaccinated against the virus than not. The stats on deaths from covid (whether it be covid itself or people who have pre-existing conditions and then contract covid and die from it) far outweigh those who have died from complications from vaccination. In the end, we won't have a perfect vaccine but the risk is minimal and we can only make informed decisions based on science. It's not a case of drinking the "vaccines work don't question it" koolaid. It's more a case of waiting to see what the effects of the vaccine are and then going from there. I know of people who have been hesitant because they know someone who has died from AZ or Pfizer who were otherwise healthy. I had a discussion with a friend of mine who basically said "fuck AZ i'd rather die from covid" to which I said he should walk through a covid respiratory ward and see if he thinks the same. This coming from a guy who then tried to justify his view based on the fact he has "been unlucky in life" - hardly a use of critical faculty".
"I don't for a minute think that vaccines are absent side effects - i felt like shit the day after - but i got better. This comes back to my argument i made the other day about safety culture - those who were so concerned about covid and wanted to shut everything down for ages until everything was "safe" tend to be the ones who are concerned about miniscule side effects and risks associated with blood clots. It all derives from the same position I think"
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20 Aug 2021 10:09 AM
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20 Aug 2021 12:44 PM
20 Aug 2021 12:44 PM
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I was chatting with my sis in Seattle about the vax, and I'll copy/paste some of her comments, you may find it interesting. I've removed the names, but left the rest intact.
Yes, we had Covid shots back in March/April. We had the Pfizer. I believe the Moderna is just as effective.
I did not want the AstraZeneca for several reasons:
1. It requires three shots, not two. (Minor point, perhaps.)
2. It has a MUCH higher incidence of blood clots that the other two. (Important point.)
3. This is the most important, a moral reason. The original tissue used was fetal tissue many years ago, and the current tissue is made up of ‘daughter’ cells grown in the lab. I know it is many, many generations removed from the original, but the idea of a baby dying so that I might benefit is abhorrent to me. I am fanatically pro-life.
There are some other vaccines out there (Johnson & Johnson, Jansen) and I think (not positive) that they both use the AstraZeneka.
Both our girls are vaccinated. L around April, and S and M in July. All had the Pfizer.
I have several thoughts on being vaccinated:
1. We get flu shots every year. We don’t have more than a sore arm as side effects.
2. The flu shot for each year uses an algorithm from the previous year’s vaccine (assessing how effective it was, rate of flu spread, side effects etc), and on that basis, predict what the next season’s flu will likely be and adapt the new vaccine accordingly. The flu virus is a corona virus too.
3. Using the above as a starting point, the current vaccine was initially developed the same way. A big problem was that the Covid 19 was much more virulent and more deadly. Perhaps the current vaccines can be improved upon, but the current vaccine was not the “start from scratch” nonsense that some opponents put forth.
4. No vaccine is perfect; all will have some adverse side effects. S was vaccinated for smallpox when she was little. She had fevers and convulsed on and off for five months. She was given a doctor’s certificate to say she should never have it again. L was also issued such a certificate, predicated upon the fact that they are full siblings and therefore there was a high likelihood of her having the same kind of reaction. D and I had repeated vaccinations against smallpox beginning in childhood and suffered no side effects. (Were they still doing vaccinations at the grade school when you were there?)
5. The vulnerable age groups remain the same as for any flu - older people with co-morbidities (diabetes, overweight etc). This year in this country more children have died from flu that from C19.
6. I believe it is a personal choice to get it or not, though I urge people to get it. I believe it is the right of certain businesses to say, You MUST get it, (for example, all branches of the medical profession). Other people think differently.
There are some things that are being said by officials that to me are utter nonsense. Our CDC (center for disease control) has changed its position on vaccines and masks as often as every two weeks, always claiming they are following the science when the science has not altered. It is very political. The truth is in there somewhere.
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