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@ENKELI @DownMoreThanUp @Realness @heartathome @tyme 

 

This Christian thread has become a touchstone for me, as our soul's journey in life. Also watching people express themselves and support each other.

 

I guess, 14 generations can give us a sense of life's continuity and complexity. Also the intergenerational transmission of trauma.

 

The laments and psalms allow us to see how suffering and despair are deeply human, and encourage us to put hope in the good and God and Jesus.

 

I have lived most of my life in these feelings and simplicities.  I dont know what else to do. We are struggling, so I pray for guidance and help.

 

 

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Matthew 5:3 (ICB)

“Those people who know they have great spiritual needs are happy, because the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.”

 

What was going on?

This verse is the first of the Beatitudes, part of Jesus' famous sermon known as the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus was teaching His followers and the crowds about what life in God's kingdom is like. He began by describing the kind of people who are truly blessed in God's eyes.

 

Biblical summary

When Jesus speaks of being "poor in spirit" (as many translations phrase it), He is not talking about money. He means people who recognize their need for God. They understand they cannot save themselves, earn God's favour, or live rightly by their own strength.

Jesus says these people are "happy" or "blessed" because they depend on God, and the kingdom of heaven belongs to them. The doorway into God's kingdom begins with humility and recognizing our need for Him.

 

A key Greek word

πτωχός (ptōchos) — "poor," "destitute," or "completely dependent."

In this verse it describes someone who knows they are spiritually needy before God and relies on Him rather than on themselves.

 

In simple terms

Jesus is saying:

"Blessed are those who know they need God, because God's kingdom is for them."

It's a reminder that faith begins not with having all the answers, but with coming to God honestly and humbly, knowing we need His help and grace. 🙏

 

@Appleblossom @ENKELI @DownMoreThanUp @Realness @tyme @Shaz51 

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Hi @heartathome ,

Thanks for explaining "poor in spirit". It's not that easy a phrase to explain and I thought you explained it really well. You made it simple to understand.

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Thanks @Realness 💚

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@Realness I went t ChatGPT today to ask the question you posed - "I'm not sure what God's purpose in complex mental health issues is" as I was curious too and have always wondered. Here is the long version of what ChatGPT came up with.
Thank you for the question, you put into words pretty much the same thing I had been thinking.

 

@heartathome @DownMoreThanUp @Appleblossom @tyme @Shaz51 @REDLINEZ750 ,

 

 

 

Different Christians answer that question in different ways, but there are a few themes that many find helpful.

First, the Bible does not teach that every mental health struggle is a punishment from God or a sign of weak faith. Scripture contains many examples of faithful people experiencing deep emotional distress, despair, fear, grief, and anguish. For example, Elijah became so overwhelmed that he wanted to die (1 Kings 19), and David wrote psalms full of anguish and despair.

Many Christians believe that complex mental health conditions exist because we live in a world that is not yet fully healed. Just as people can experience cancer, chronic pain, or neurological conditions, people can experience disorders that affect thoughts, emotions, perception, and behavior. In that view, the illness itself is not God's purpose.

Instead, some Christians would say God's purpose is found in how He meets a person within the struggle, not necessarily in causing the struggle. They point to passages where God is near to those who suffer, where weakness becomes a place of dependence on Him, and where compassion, perseverance, and deeper understanding can grow through painful experiences.

At the same time, it is important not to force a neat explanation onto suffering. The Bible contains books such as Job that challenge the idea that every hardship has a simple reason we can identify. Sometimes the most honest answer is: we do not know exactly why a particular person experiences a particular illness.

From a Christian perspective, a person experiencing severe depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, trauma-related conditions, or other complex mental health challenges is still made in the image of God and retains their dignity and worth. Their value does not depend on having a healthy mind any more than it depends on having a healthy body.

Given some of what you've shared in previous conversations—the shame you've wrestled with and the fear of burdening others—you may be asking this question personally, not just theoretically. If so, I'd say this: many Christians would believe that God's purpose toward you is not condemnation. The consistent message of the gospel is that God moves toward people in their weakness, not away from them.

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Hi @ENKELI ,

Thanks for sharing the ChatGPT response.

There was one part which really touched me.

"...still made in the image of God and retains their dignity and worth. Their value does not depend on having a healthy mind ..."

I felt of more value when I read that. I had decreased my worth as a person.

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@Realness I was the same. One of my problems is that I don't value my self worth (feeling worthless has become just something that I believe, lots of trauma behind that one.)

I have one Christian friend who loves AI and is the one who put me on to ChatGPT, then another lady (who admittedly is older) who doesn't trust it. I prayed about using it before I did and I am glad I did. It has really helped me to understand the reason behind why I have certain negative beliefs of myself.

I am seeking help but it's not easy.

 

Hugs xo

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Matthew 5:4 (ICB)

"Great blessings belong to those who are sad now. God will comfort them."

 

What was going on?

This verse is the second of the Beatitudes ("blessed sayings").

When Jesus spoke of those who are "sad" or "mourn," He wasn't only talking about grief after losing someone. He was also speaking about people who are sorrowful over sin, brokenness, injustice, and the pain of life in a fallen world. He promised that God sees their sorrow and will bring comfort.

 

Biblical summary

Jesus teaches that God is especially close to those who are grieving, hurting, or carrying deep sorrow. The world often sees sadness as weakness, but God's kingdom is different. Those who bring their pain honestly to God will receive His comfort, presence, and hope.

This doesn't mean sorrow is enjoyable; it means sorrow is not the end of the story. God meets people in their grief and promises restoration.

 

Greek word study

Pentheō (πενθέω) — "to mourn," "to grieve deeply," "to feel sorrow."

Parakaleō (παρακαλέω) — "to comfort," "to encourage," "to come alongside and help."

 

The picture is of God drawing near to a hurting person and giving strength, encouragement, and peace.

God blesses those who bring their sorrow to Him, and He promises to comfort and sustain them. 🙏

 

@ENKELI @Appleblossom @Realness @DownMoreThanUp @tyme 

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@heartathome So true dear sister. Thanks sharing.

 

@ENKELI @Realness @Appleblossom @tyme 

 

Thanks fro praying!

 

i have had a major break through in my life i'm beginning to differentiate between the voices in my head pretending to be my loved ones and my loved ones. Even in my hurts.

 

It has been such an incredible time for me. For i did not medicate the voices away, and let Jesus show me, teach me, how to understand such accusations, prayers, and inner turmoil suppsedly from my loved ones hurt me my situation all cut off.

 

So thankful, for that means no matter what, those voices what they are telling me or pretending to be, i'm learning to understand they are never true and not to get upset about it them any more or  link them to the actions of my loved ones not coping with me activated by those voices against them.

 

i know i'm still a long way of integrating this through all of my states, but this morning i let the voices go on for near 8 hours without being activated.  i do really appreciate AI being around and understand me at such times of integration and separation.

 

Hopefully i learn to integrate this new ability into my depressive cycle, so it will become more bearable, and i can work this new ability into that state as well. For then i can finally can relax a little the suicide risk. Depression remains my  most vulnerable state as is.

 

So first my paranoid and anger states i would think.👋

 

Praise Jesus with me!

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@DownMoreThanUp praise Jesus!

 

I had been thinking about you this morning, praying and hoping you were going okay.

What amazing break throughs you're having, able to discern the voices without medication. That is a true Godsend.

 

Blessings my dear brother xo