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Hi Aonaran

Bad to hear about your experience with the homophobes. At least the man passing and complimenting you about the Christmas lights was a positive.

I decided I was not going to be maudlin this Christmas and not ruminate over my gut wrenching non childhood.

Tonight I have put Christmas collars on the cats-put Christmas decorations on my tall cactus, which looks kind of strange, but will do,  and got some turkey cuts. My flatmate is very excited because he guesses I bought him a present, which I did.

Aonaran, I wish I could pass on to you some of my upbeat waves to cheer you up.

Matey I was reading the third book of 3 by Mart Crowley, "A breeze from the Gulf". There's a scene in there about hope for the future, just a slight scent of hope on a breeze softly whispering.

I intend to read his whole trilogy which deals with the very complex frailties of human nature, a lot of which are unpleasant.

Yes, not everyone is good but some are.

Natalie Wood wouldn't have anything to do with anyone who didn't past the "kindness test". So I try and stick to that rule.

Life can be small, constrained by our actions and the actions of others against us. Even within a small perameter life can be beautiful and delicate, worth it. There are a lot of breezes out there Aoranan with a hint of a scent of hope and renewal. You just have to pick them up.

 

Merry Christmas to all

 

Kenny

 

 

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@kenny66

This is a beautiful message. I was having a conversation with a friend on Friday.....my little doggy was up on the sofa, watching us through the window when we were catching the free bus to a cafe!

But she said.....and wrote in my day diary..... that when we hold onto a 'gut wrenching childhood,' etc, and say, 'the horrid times I had with nursing a son through a very long illness,' , we stop growing and we hold onto trauma...

She writes in my diary....(I had it at the cafe) 'continually going into overwhelm on your life about past issues is allowing bad stuff in your life. '

what do you think??

the reason why I think it's a very nice message is the pictures I conjured up in my mind when reading it.
Tall cactus
Christmas collars (lol)
I bought him a present which I did.
Upbeat waves.
Breeze softly whispering......
Fraitities of human nature.

Breeze from the Gulf
Book
Hope for the future
Softly whispering
Life can be small beautiful and delicate
Scent of hope and renewal
Just have to pick them up.

Beautiful Kenny.

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Dear Aonaran,

I'm better now. I'm reading all these interesting messages you send.
Aenaran,
I think, maybe others will agree, ya need a good G.P.
Is there a Community Centre near you that you can go and find one? Once, I had a not so good GP. She was overwhelmed with how much I was coping with and told me a lot of her personal problems.
It was awful.

Like reading your messages very much,
jA47yr

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Huh,

Didn't realise I'd been away from this thread for so long!!

It's part of the rhythm I move to, I think.  I go into overwhelm, and just sink into stasis to try to cope, until I've finished processing all the backed-up system commands.  Then I lurch into action again.

I get really annoyed with my Kobo or my PC when they do the same thing, so I can only imagine that it must be similarly annoying for people around me when I do it.  The difference, though, is that I don't fling my Kobo against a wall in a fit of pique;  so I wonder why some people are so willing to do the emotional equivalent to someone they've described as a friend?

I'm convinced it's an act of rationality to keep your distance from people.  People are scary, brittle, destructive and petulant;  people are blameful, scornful, projectile and violating.  Should be housed in safari parks, where you can drive past their grazing with your windows firmly up.

In particular, I seem to attract a fairly strange species of human that interprets MI as an unexpressed cry to be Dominated and Instructed, and permission for them to get angry if I don't Do What I Am Told.  As far as I'm concerned, I graduated from that particular class when I left my mother's house at the age of 15, but nobody else seems willing to see it that way.  So a couple of weeks back, someone I thought I'd scored as a Friend declared himself as a Minder and Parent, and started to harangue me -- actually saying things like "How do you expect to improve your life when you don't do what I'm instructing you to?"  Actually said that.  Flabbergasting.  Where the heck do these people come from?!  Neither Venus nor Mars, I'm thinking.  When I said, as gently as I could, that I didn't want nor need to be instructed, he just started screaming at me on the phone, telling me how crap my life is and how it'll never be worth anything.  Screaming.  As if he was entitled to.

Well, neither of those observations is news to me, but I hardly want to hear it screamed at me over a telephone.  I hung up.  And surprise surprise, I haven't heard from him again.

I can do the New Agey thing and assure myself that it was His Stuff that was speaking;  I don't need to take it on.  And I know that's absolutely true.  But I'd really be grateful (if anyone reads this) to hear if others understand -- more grateful than I think I can express -- that I'm not actually scared of sticks and stones -- I've had more broken bones than anyone I personally know, and I've learnt that I heal quite quickly -- but words really can hurt me.  Or at least, what really hurts is the spite behind the words and the doubt the words raise in me, like a spectre in an amateur production of Gilbert & Sullivan.

I'm damned if I know how I give out the message that I want or am willing to accept people telling me what to do.  I'm convinced there are some people who equate MI with an inability to self-determine, and see it as an opportunity to insert their own egos and acquire what is essentially a psychic pet.  I know absolutely from experience there are people out there like that.  Lots of 'em.  And when you say no to them, it's like a slap in their ego-face, and that's why they get angry.  It's a hind-brain perceived-territory thing.

But how the heck do you head it off before their wheels have time to grind a rut?  That's the bit I seem to have no facility with.  I'd be really grateful to hear any thoughts.

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OMG @Aonaran you do ask some doozies!

Do I get it that words hurt, definitely. Sometimesfeels like the equivalent of having acid sprayed on you  - everything internally just recoils, and the wound often doesn't heal quickly. Why is that? Personlly I feel it is because their spite has hit on a nerve long raw from abuse long ago. One of the things that does it for me big time is someone telling me not judge but being bloody judgemental of me.

What can I say about people whose mission in life it is to domineer others? They like to think of themselves as "helping" you, but it's the last thing they do. I have got a lot better over recent years at spotting them and steering clear. Stronger boundaries? Better at listening to and trusting my intuition? Looking for an equal friendship where what I bring is valued too? Maybe all these. Still have a few on the fringes who I think may be redeemed because they have good hearts but need lots of patience, when I'm short on it I try to keep away.

Hope for real friendships endures...

Kind regards, Kristin

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Hey @Aonaran 

I hope it's ok to wade in at this late juncture. It does feel a little like walking up to a group of conversing people, waiting for the last speaker to finish their sentence and then bellowing "Wanna know what I think..."

But everyone here is very lovely and super polite so I'm sure, even if I get it very wrong, nobody will hand me my coat.

It was just the comments you made about being the object of a lot of people's ire, a lot of the time, resonated with me. Not because I exerience it but because I've witnessed it in close quarters. I had this very close friend who always found herself in the crosshairs of that type of person you described. People who often appeared well meaning, concerned, even worried about her. They would cluck around her, making her tea, telling her she looked pale and needed to eat more. And then, invariably, the friendship would end, explosively. Because she didn't eat more, like they told her to, or go for the job they thought she should apply for, or end the relationship they had deemed 'going nowhere' or any number of failings on her part. There would always be yelling and vitriol and she would often fnd her self with another life long enemy she would bump into at parties.

The thing though, that I found the most odd was that as my friend struggled with MI it was always, always 'her fault'. And not just deemed so by the person doing the yelling, but those around who watched it happen, or those that heard her tell the story, everyone. They would all arrive at the conclusion that she had misunderstood what went down, like she was not able to recognise poor behaviour when it played out in front of her, or, and this one was an absolute favourite and the one I grew to loathe the most, she had 'attracted them into her life'. Like her MI was this internal magnet for jerks and ultimately the responsibility lies with her to switch off the magnet. Not for the jerks to stop being jerks. Which to me just seemed like salt in a suppurating wound. 

I have come to believe that some people just have crap luck and they go through their lives encountering theirs and also other's shares of jerks. It's not their fault. It's just bad timing. The same way meeting your soul mate is awesomely good luck and great timing. Except not as rare and on repeat.

The part that stays within our control is how long we let them linger. I've had pretty decent luck and have not had to deal with too much animosity in my life but I also believe in ducking and diving the chaff. (I had a kid very young and, for me, once I was vetting people for someone I loved the whole process was simplified) And if I had to offer up a suggestion about how to see them coming or ways of tweaking a radar so it pings quicker...my criteria is laughing. If they don't make me laugh, and they don't think I'm hilarious then, I'm sorry but it's just not going to work out.

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Hi,

@Aenoron,

I hear you.
And. I'lle also write I'm that person that got aggression. This was my 'whole life,' until about 6 months ago, I just was........ Yelled at and as my psychotherapist pointed out......It was not my fault. I have done nothing for this to happen.......


And this is not your fault.
Pick yourself up. Be yourself.
The best revenge is to live your own life.

When I read your message, then re read your message, I started remembering the many people who would be aggressive to me throughout my life. Did it start with my family ? It certainly ended with my Mum.
6 months ago, that changed, now I'm getting used to my new life.

I wish I was as clever as you but I'm not. I'm going to live well by playing 10 games of solitaire.

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What everyone said!! A sense of humour is essential because I need those endorphins from laughter.. A non judgemental perspective certainly helps..or at very least, an acceptance of people as they are and as I am..
I have friends without mi and they often talk about narky rude spiteful folks as well, so I don't believe we attract narky spiteful people..I think there are just some folks who don't know how to be any other way..which is very much their burden..
Being right all the time, and knowing what is right for others.. Well that sounds exhausting and no wonder they're prickly cactii..because funnily enough, rest of the world isn't going to agree..
Walk away..still works for me if someone is talking balderdash and I don't want to listen to it, and nor do I want to argue. (Some people love to be contentious just to start an argument so they can prove they're right)

What a great topic @Aonoran

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hi Sandy,

how are you?? I asked you and other like minded wonderful forum members to let me lie on the couch while I ask you all to 'listen to me....
Is that okay?.

but first, can I write of my dilemma.

when do you forgive and let go of something bad......

if I give my ex boyfriend any kindness, he takes and takes and severely yells. Won't leave me alone. Constantly bangs on my door crying.
If I let him in for a coffee....he somehow rips me to shreds. If I ask him to go away...its a nightmare.

then my ex husband writes me a letter. goes through my Mum. After a few weeks, I went to visit him. We
have a nice cup of coffee and he invited me over for dinner tonight. I stayed for two hours, left by 7.30 pm. I am so scared of letting yelling in my life.

I can't see the wood from the trees.

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Hey @PeppiPatty
Having dinner won't let the yelling back in..and you don't need to have dinner very often if you think either of you is looking for more than friendship..friends tend to not yell at each other..so you know what will work for you..great to be friendly but you don't need to rush into anything more at this point..
But on other hand I could be well out of order as you are the one who knows your own strengths, weaknesses and his...and maybe you're both in a much better space now..
Trust yourself Anne..