20-05-2021 04:51 PM
20-05-2021 04:51 PM
Hello @P12
Firstly I am struck by your aptience and persistence, seeing your opening post was from 2 years ago.
ALLyou say seems very reasonable to me, but I self identify as Aspergerish. I looked around and found a proper diagnosis coulod be made be paying out $900 and know people who are pleased and satisfied they did this. For me, I dont have spare cash for that at this stage, but maybe one day ...
Workplaces vary a lot. I have been in a range of them. Yes there are laws against bullying. .A good workplace makes a huge difference, and many workplaces actively try to manage the workplace cultures ....When it is possible try and find a better job ... not always possible I know, but look out for options .... @MDT has recently written a lot about his excperiences ...
Do not worry so much about what is or is not normal. Most human reactions vary according to circumstances.
Most of all take Care of yourself.
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You have done all the right things about approaching professional help.
21-05-2021 08:55 PM
21-05-2021 08:55 PM
Hi @P12,
I have often heard Aspergers described as a high functioning form of Autism. There are many highly successful people with Aspergers, including Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft. I am friends online with an artist with Aspergers who is very highly regarded internationally. There are many people in the wider community with this diagnosis who are living well with it.
So sorry you cry in the stairwell at work. Many years ago I had a similar experience when I would come home from work each day and burst into sobs and crying into my pillow. I believe no-one should have to suffer that much stress and pain in the workplace.
I too feel sad that the psychologist you saw sent you away feeling that there was no hope of effective treatment or change for you.
I am hoping your question about psychosocial and peer support can be answered better by @TideisTurning or @Former-Member , who are peer support workers at this SANE website.
I have searched Google about Aspergers/Autism. The 'Autism Awareness' website has some good information and links to similar organisations that could possibly help you further.
1. https://www.autismawareness.com.au/could-it-be-autism/autism-signs/adulthood/ (info and links)
2. https://www.autismawareness.com.au/diagnosis/who-can-diagnose/ (scroll down to the heading for "State autism organisations")
01-06-2021 01:52 PM
01-06-2021 01:52 PM
Thanks for your suggestions @Mazarita though I don't think I am the same condition as Bill Gates and he doesn't really inspire me. I've also asked some of the organisations you suggested but was told they are more suitable for people with Autism rather than what I apparently have.
05-06-2021 02:22 PM
05-06-2021 02:22 PM
In the relational frame theory, acceptance and commitment theory, and cognitive behaviour theory, the objective seems to be to disconnect oneself from cognitions, emotions, and society such that one lives a life of solitude and predetermination.
The theories teach that social interactions are the cause of distress rather than the cure. They are unable to explain how prejudice, exclusion, and disrespect from one person to another has a dispropportional effect on the other. However, human and animal history reveal that humans are naturally social creatures, and therefore, greater happiness will be achieved by forming associations. Most historical and present laws from religious groups and governments assume social interaction is right and legislate against other views. One who practises the theories their whole life will reach the end of their life without achievement and with sadness for missed opportunities.
What is the reason for these theories teaching a different practice?
07-06-2021 12:47 AM
07-06-2021 12:47 AM
Hi @P12, yeah Bill Gates was a bad example. I'm seeing now that you have thought deeply about a lot of things and explored a lot of avenues.
I've had a little Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. My five years psychologist who has now moved away said she thought it was superficial, and I tend to agree. I do not feel that therapy has significantly helped me. I read that it draws ideas from the historic philosophy of Stoicism. I did not experience it as suggesting withdrawal from society or other people though.
I'm in the process of exploring further mindfulness, and starting a six week course with my new psychologist, also a hypnotherapist. I'm finding significant improvements in some areas in the small number of sessions with him so far, especially in feeling calmer and more relaxed. This is very good for me as I have so often felt that I have an overwired nervous system, anxiety, worry, fast paced mind.
One of the things I am learning with mindfulness is about healing that may be found in becoming more aware of the body beyond words. I have believed for some time that the body has its own intelligence. It is helping me to relax to move my attention more towards my physicality, walking more is helping me a lot. Conscious slowing of breathing for relaxation each day helps me at this time, just randomly as I need it to calm down emotional upset to a less distressing level.
I totally agree with your question, where is the place where people are allowed to do what they are good at and for which they have natural talent, interest. In the case of people like me who some may describe as 'neurodivergent', workplace life has been terrible, and I have had devastating breakdowns a number of times. I now receive a disability pension, a huge blessing in my life.
I wonder what sort of work you do. Really hope you find a better situation with that in future.
21-06-2021 08:19 PM
21-06-2021 08:19 PM
I also have difficulty understanding the basis of acceptance and commitment theory. It says that one should accept emotions, thoughts, and behaviours as meaningless events, disconnected from oneself. It says one can pursue their values throughout their life to obtain purpose. First, as these two ideas seem opposites, how can they be sustaining when to act on one diminishes the other. Second, if they are true and you can pursue your values but their occurence is meaningless, what is the purpose in pursuing them and what is the purpose in being alive?
26-08-2021 08:34 PM
26-08-2021 08:34 PM
Two weeks ago I spoke with a psychologist but was disappointed to be told I couldn't continue to speak with them because I was already speaking with a different psychologist. Has anyone else had a similar experience and is willing or able to share your experience? I speak with my normal psychologist about once every three months as that is the frequency with which I am comfortable considering the cost and the rate I can intellectually process our meetings. However, I feel I am in need of more regular and diverse advice.
07-01-2022 09:12 AM
07-01-2022 09:12 AM
Last month I found a free mental health service, Head to Health, which accepted me for treatment although I already have a Mental Health Care Plan with another practitioner. I am using the treatment to try to make a friend as I have been unsuccessful in this goal for more than 14 years and believe it is a significant contribution to my distress. Apparently I have a mental disorder which is the cause of my inability to make a friend. So far all I have achieved is using cognitive behaviour theory to change my perception about the need and strategy for making a friend, and using acceptance and commitment theory to identify my values and affirm them in the world around me. However, the difficulty I've found is that I am only able to formulate an imaginary friend with whom I can associate, I am unable to actually make a real friend with whom I can practise empathy, and this is accelerates my mental disorder. While the treatment will not tackle my mental disorder, I hope it might stimulate it toward a solution.
07-01-2022 12:24 PM
07-01-2022 12:24 PM
Hey there @P12,
I think a previous member commented on your strength at staying the path with working through these difficulties, and I wanted to start out by saying right on for committing to that for yourself. You very clearly articulate your desire for friendship and connection, which is common to so many of us.
I'm wondering what you've tried that has worked, or not worked, in terms of making new friends? Meet ups in person have been a little thwarted in this respect due to covid, but there are so many different online groups out there (in fact, I just joined one myself this morning!). Do you have any interests or hobbies that you could explore with others? This is just one example, but I've been curious about NFTs in the art and design world so I just joined a Discord group to learn more and chat with others who share this interest. I'm also attending an online Zoom meetup tomorrow morning with a bunch of people who share a commonality with me. The possibilities for connection are limited by our own interests, and whilst I know it's not the same as meeting up in person, connection within some online communities can be quite rewarding.
Stick with it, @P12. I for one am fascinated to hear more from you, and I know others will be too 😊
08-01-2022 01:44 PM
08-01-2022 01:44 PM
Hello @Former-Member,
My interests are: fracture mechanics, numerical analysis, Australia's natural environment, conservation, bushwalking, cricket, running, cycling, research, studying, writing, speaking, mental health, personal development, and religion.
Overall, the best strategy I've found is to participate in activities in my interest areas, as there I am most likely to find others suitable and willing to communicate with me, and to meet as many people as possible hoping that eventually someone suitable and willing will form a friendship with me. However, I found that, despite meeting hundreds or thousands of people, I am still looking. I found lots of people who were willing to participate in the interest activity with me but unwilling to form a friendship outside the activity.
The second strategy I've found is to analyse my interactions with others in the hope that I may identify deficiencies in my communication, which I can then change. I've studied assertive communication and empathy but either I am apparently not using it correctly, am unable to make sense of the feedback I receive, or the other person simply stops communicating with me for reasons I know not. Sometimes I practice empathy with imaginary friends or people with whom I would like to form a friendship in the hope this will give me some satisfaction or telepathically influence the other into forming a friendship with me but it is not the same as actually having a friend.
The third strategy I've found is to use psychological treatment methods such as cognitive behaviour theory and acceptance and commitment theory. The trouble I've found with these is that they seem to focus on cognitive rather than practical techniques. I am able to suppress my desires and distress by intellectual activity but this just increases my feelings in an accelerating cycle.
There is more discussion about the topic in my following forum thread. Independence-and-Friendship
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