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NP07
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CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Hey guys,

I have CTPSD from my childhood and developed behaviours through adulthood to protect myself and stay safe.

These behaviours have caused my wife a lot of pain over the last 30yrs. It has come to a point where she cannot see any future with me. I'm constantly working on myself, seeing a psychologist, changing my behaviours to be a better version of myself but my wife cannot see past her internal hurt and pain. I've taken ownership and acknowledged all my mistakes and taken the heat for so much more than that.

Each day I try to appease my wife by working on what she needs. Each day the "goal posts" seem to move meaning I'm not satisfying her or respecting her to give her what she wants from me, to be open, honest and raw. I am doing these things while fighting through my anxiety and fear. My wife cannot see anything I'm doing or have done to be different and a better person.

It has come to a point where she is always angry, everyday. Could be the wat I smile at her or explained how my day went.

She has told me in a very agressive way 20 times in the last 3 weeks, that's she is done and when the time is right we will discuss with the kids. I'm sleeping in the spare room and only get spoken to if needed to uphold a sense of family around the kids.

My wife has her own childhood trauma. She had a horrible upbringing. Her defence mechanism is to fight and retreat not resolve. 

I love her so much but she feels I hate her and I don't care. 

I'm lost. I have run out of mental strength to keep going. I have run out of ideas. 

I have been trying to show up and get her to see me for over 12 months. As soon as she allows herself to open up a little BANG I get hammered for something insignificant to restore the status quo.

 

Thank you for listening and reading my post.

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Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

 

Thank you for sharing and utilising this forum to get supported during this phase - Firstly, this is a great space and I'm sure someone will have very kind support to offer, if not additional tips.

 

It feels like I was meant to read this post today!! The reason is because I'm in a similar situation with my husband and everything you have described seems like it applies to us too, minus the part where you're getting support and working with a professional - which as you can imagine is the root cause of fights because that's important to show to the other person that we get that we have things to resolve and we want to do it even if it's uncomfortable because we care about this relationship. I've been doing my bit but he's very hesitant/inconsistent at best. 

 

It's not easy when 2 ppl with their own trauma try to build a life together and are now parents and understandably have a high standard for how they want to parent their kids (to not pass on the trauma and break those patterns). 

 

I'm not sure if the above might help create some compassion - for yourself and for your wife being so hard on you to become "perfect". It's not right, but you might be able to validate her and your need to keep working on things. 

 

Does she a therapist individually or join you in marriage therapy? Because after a point, it's both. You can do your work but if she's not working on her behaviour, it'll be very triggering to you, and it's impossible to expect a person to uphold therapy learnings in that state of hurt and anger, we will almost always default and then feel shame etc., that we did. 

 

People think therapy helps. It does. Therapy also creates expectations from ourselves and can become rules instead of guidelines.. If no matter what you try, she's unhappy, it might be interesting to visit a therapist together to get her view - is she comparing you with someone else? Is her trauma repeating from some ex ego didn't show up and she's unable to separate past with yourself who's clearly showing that you will do anything. Can she not use threats as that really hurts and demotivates you even though it's valid and she has every right to feel that way but can she tell it to you when she's calm instead of as a threat? 

 

She might be feeling very out of control and looks like despite your work, what she needs aren't being met - would it help to get some space from the house, go into nature or beach or something and ask her I'm doing these things but what am I missing, if my behaviour is still hurting you often? Could you tell me top 3 times recently or in the past when I hurt you or angered you so I can work on it.. (it's important not to come across like you're doing it for her or the kids. Show her you're doing it because you want to and see value in therapy and it has helped you so much.). 

 

Listening is hard because she won't be perfect and still say things that will make you want to be defensive, explain, excuse, apologise, fix - it's all natural. But try to simply notice that cause and effect to learn more about what bits she says bring that reaction for you. Can you wait for your turn after she's done and share.. I acknowledge what you're sharing, I hear it. I will need some time to process it and I'll get back to you (this time helps to go away from the topic rather than keep discussing as it'll escalate in an emotional state). 

 

All this is easier said than done but I want to assure you, your wife is really lucky to have someone that's willing to be vulnerable and seek therapy. 

 

It's normal to feel you're not being appreciated and seen for your efforts. I get the same feedback. It's hard for me to do because either I have no idea what my husband was working on or the times he slips up are so hurtful that my focus at that point is only on that. 

 

We're not perfect, we're humans. But we need to respect each other. If someone's decided they don't like us, we will not change their mind but working harder. Our job is to focus on our self improvement, do things that will de-stress us so we can be our best version and if a partner or colleague or whoever is triggering us with every little thing they do - if it gets to this stage, it's really hard and becomes about blame and contempt. 

 

John Gottman guidelines are very helpful. 

 

But please know you can't do this all alone. When she raises an issue, you can always tell her.. I'm happy to take ownership for my bits but could you also look at your involvement in this situation escalating - we both have the same goal, to create a peaceful home that we didn't have growing up. Let's not take out outside issues on each other.. We're a team

 

 

Good luck 💯 

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Also @NP07 

 

I don't want to make this post about my issues 😂 but just thought I'll share a summary as it might help explain maybe some of your wife's behaviour

 

I've been married for 13+ years and we were marred right from the start - but were too young to realise and talk about them. Enter 30s and becoming more fed up, I started to bring things up. Hubby might've felt like it's the first time I'm hearing this why is it such a big reaction, it feels minimising to me etc., we've never just caught up 😄 so point 1 - issues might've been brewing since before they were brought up. It's not easy as a cptsd person myself to ask for help and for my needs to be met... Waited too long when it became resentful instead of share/ask nicely sooner... Feels like demands too hubby than my needs, but it's so hard to express these that it just goes to..yep he doesn't care. Uff! It's not easy these things. 

 

I've had to a lot of therapy CBT to learn about thinking traps and communication guidelines and these have been immensely helpful to not let things escalate. Lots of mindfulness practice to catch these things early in the breakdown process. 

 

Secondly, familiarity breeds contempt 😞 unfortunately very true for relationships. There's many things I don't like about hubby.. some are characteristic and personality traits that I wish I knew before we got married but I feel very guilty to ask anything about these, and try my best to put up.. I feel like I wish I could just accept unconditionally so he can feel safe and be himself but they're just pet peeves of mine and I can't deal.. 

 

Other behaviours are growth related, like you mentioned that awareness to just learn and improve as you prefer peace and harmony. It's been hard to accept that not all men care about person development 😔 as much as women do. So, well.. and then there's behaviour that I feel is constantly meddling/controlling 😂 I need lots of freedom and I'm a slow, calm, peace lover. He seems hectic and stressful to me so I want to spend my weekends away... It's crazy how things have built up.

 

Last but not least, a lot of the triggers are from.my past but they keep getting mirrored in this person - I'm working on separating that and seeing he's a different person, actions are similar but intentions are not. I'm safe and I am in control to make a choice now.. that I couldn't in the past or when I was younger. A lot of his personality obviously resembles my MIL haha for example.. I need to separate my issues with her and see his behaviour as separate.. it's still very annoying.. the meddling as an example.. I had a very controlling mum, then mil and now hubby. It all comes out on him at times... Phew.

 

Anyway... Some part of me obviously cares a lot about him to stay and try to improve things. It's frustrating but well.. maybe I married too soon and should've enjoyed my solo time more. 

 

Hope this helps or has some input into your situation. 

 

Thank you for reading. 

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Hi @NP07, welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing your story.  My only real thought was a suggestion @Shasan made, and that was about seeing a counselor together.  By working so hard to please your wife and make her happy rather than yourself, you seem to be just making yourself feel worse.  I don't see how this can continue without you both being able to acknowledge the struggles you each have and work together.  The end result is of course you feel the way you do and feel lost.  So if you cant get her to listen to you, maybe seeing someone as a couple will help he to see how much you're trying to help her and you can both start to at least try to start moving in the same direction rather than opposite ones.

 

It's just a heartbreaking situation for you so I really hope you can do something to improve things for you both.  I know only too well how hard it is to change those protection behaviours we were forced to develop in childhood.  It's seemingly impossible at times especially if we feel we have to do it alone, let alone deal with someone else's at the same time.  I wish you all the best going forward, for the both of you.

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Hello @NP07 , @Shasan , @MJG017 , @Healandlove 

Sitting here with you 💕 

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Thank You @Shasan - I really appreciate your response.  I have read over it many times since you replied.  Very helpful and comforting.

 

I tried to re-connect yesterday just with communication and was told not to push and that I'm not ready for an adult relationship due to my immaturity.  I left the some to create space and walked for hours.  What I returned, I had made a decision to do what I love, cook dinner.  I took ownership and politely advised the family what I was doing.  It honestly felt like my wife looked at me with some small amount of respect at that moment.  That was interesting.

 

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

Hi @MJG017 - Thank you for response to me post.  I'm so appreciative.  I have suggested couples therapy a number of times.  We have discussed it together and even have been to a few sessions (maybe 10 months ago).  My wife keeps telling me that she will never see a therapist until I stop my lying and manipulative behavior. Unfortunately, this behavior will never stop as it's the story my wife is feeding herself and not reality.  While I get many things wrong and always try to show up being open, honest and raw, when my wife gets angry with what she believes are lies, I go into freeze / surrender mode.  I just agree to create safety for myself.

We have discussed this also but when the is an escalation in my wife's thoughts / emotions, my surrender becomes "Im a compulsive liar" and will never be ready for therapy. A few weeks ago, my wife mentioned that we should look at therapy together during some calmness, but things have taken a turn since them so not sure where she stands.  I will bring it up again and see how it goes.  I'll make sure not to have an expectation on the response I may get.

 

Re: CTPSD Destroying My Marriage

@NP07I wonder if a bit of reverse psychology here may work with your wife to get her to see the counselor with you.  Now keep in mind, this may be a terrible idea for any number of reasons, but things sound desperate.  Maybe saying to her you want the both of you to see the counselor to work on your "lying and manipulative behavior".  I know there's many ways this approach could backfire but if it gets her to see someone with you, maybe it's worth it???  Plus it does feed into your safety zone your create for yourself.

 

It seems there are moments when your wife is calmer and more open to seeing someone.  So it seems deep down on some level, she does want to do it.  If these moments dont last long then it's obviously not helpful.  Is there anything you think caused the turn from the last time she was open to it. Maybe there's some trigger there to avoid in future.  I think all you can do is, as you said, bring it up again and hope for the best.  Best of luck to you, hopefully you can make some progress.